Islam and Life – London mayor: Take away children of suspected radical Muslims

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  1. Leaving aside boris jonsons silly comment , would u not take away children of parents who force
    1- FGM on their young daughters
    2- Forced marriages of daughters and even sons
    3- honor killings
    4- taking away girls right to education

    We need to think this over , i would not want to be child to such parents .
    Dr Bari though provides a middlle and sensible side

  2. I no longer call myself a feminist, I prefer ‘egalitarian’,as Feminism has been given a bad name by some extremists.

    Muslims have a bad name because of reprehensible things done in the name of Islam. Fact.

    Instead of being defensive, would it not be better to speak out publicly against those aspects of your community which cause concern, such as FGM, forced marriages, honour killings, treatment of women,radicalisation, and even welcome initiatives to root out ‘bad apples’ as Dr. Bari describes them.

    You are just papering over the cracks, and no progress is being made.

  3. I would ask the Mayor these questions:
    Who killed millions:
    Who started the First World War? Muslims?
    Who started the Second World War? Muslims?
    Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia? Muslims??
    Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Muslims??
    Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America? Muslims??
    Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in South America? Muslims??
    Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and were thrown in Atlantic Ocean? Muslims??
    Who did 9/11? Muslims?

    Thanks God, Muslims did not kill them!!!

  4. Three out of five people from ethnic minorities are worried that discrimination due to their race or religion will affect their chances in education and employment. In our diverse society, councils have a growing role working locally to eliminate racism. The biggest facing communities in term of race must include the issue of BME youth unemployment, educational attainment amongst particular Ethnic Minorities, health inequalities, democratic participation and community safety. In terms of community safety I would including Policing (Stop and Search) and youth violence.Another huge timeless challenge is scapegoating. I say timeless because traditionally, whenever there’s been a national crisis, such as the current economic one, the political elite – along with the media, will start to whip up fear and mistrust of a particular weak community which they blame for all the problems under the sun. Today, we blame immigrants for failed political and economic policies adopted by the UK as a country, as an example.

    Council are unable to address race issues as their make up simply fails to reflect the communities they serve. The workforce is diverse on the front line but at the highest and most influential level there is a glass ceiling that non white individuals cannot break through, how can we change this? Short of quotas nothing is going to change. In many boroughs Council’s still continue to pay lip-service to the whole equality agenda and particularly the race strand, in some places they don’t even want to mention the word ‘race’ and the broader equality banner is often used as a catch-all umbrella, so if we can’t talk about the issues and communities are not being engaged to understand their needs, what hope do councils have of being able to do anything constructive to address the challenges people face. Often people working in local government simply do not realise that there is an existing inequality of outcomes, for example, in education, health and housing for people who are from BME backgrounds. Not all minority ethnic communities have the same experience it is not an homogenous group so different communities have different experiences. Statistics for education attainment, unemployment levels, health and involvement in the criminal justice system provide a very clear picture of communities in desperate need but I don’t get a sense there is a will to improve their position.

    The issue of how councils are dealing with new migrant communities needs to be looked at. In my very diverse area of North West London the council is explicitly linking migrants with anti social behaviour and using that as a justification for calling in immigration authorities to target people. I’m also concerned that councils are feeding the idea that migrants are to blame for London’s housing problem – at least one local authority has led a very high profile operation against “beds in sheds”, again bringing in immigration authorities to work with them. I’m not sure how this helps community cohesion and I’d like the councillors on the panel to address this point.

    British society must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different.

    God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global village of one family. Creation by its very nature is diverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family.

    During colonial days, British did not follow local customs or culture. They didn’t exactly “go native”. They even forced the native Americans and native Australian to adopt all the evils of their culture and customs. They are still the underdogs of American and Australian societies. At least Australian Prime Minister apologised to the natives for their evil deeds. Brits living in Spain and France don’t even bother learning the language of the new adopted country. Frankly suggesting that people don’t want to become “British” they should move elsewhere is extremely irritating. Immigrants are in UK because they are needed, it was never an act of charity. Without migration, British economy and society will bleed to death. British culture and customs will undoubtedly change as it has for millennium due to immigration. I am not quite sure why Brits would be worried about that.

    British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a “***” by Prince Harry has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son’s passing out parade at Sandhurst in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince’s comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His portrait is still in one of the royal places.

    A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children out numbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism. My statement regarding Muslim schools where there is no place for non-Muslim child or a teacher is based on educational process and not on racism. Muslim children need Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. For higher studies and research, Muslim teacher is not a priority.
    IA
    London School of Islamics Trust

    • ‘British society must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different’
      Islam is not known for its tolerance.The Qur’an has many examples of this ( as does the Bible) Extremists use it as a justification for their actions .
      As with all institutions, individuals, governments, religions, respect is earned , not a right.
      I think that British society wishes that you would deal with those issues and individuals that give Islam a bad name.
      No sane person would deny the terrible misdeeds of the Colonial past, the Crusades, all the horrible things that have been perpetrated upon people in the name of religion. Debate and openness must be the way forward.

  5. Dear Ms Jones,
    i agree with ur views and generally hold similar if not same views but what i believe is that religion is what we make out of it , Quran or any other scripture is commenting on a specific era and when we take the era out and apply it today only stupid actions will follow hence to blame scripture is an easy copout.
    Unfortunately muslims have not been able to adapt and our insistence to live in that era brings anguish first of all to us , stats through-out the muslim populations show that the first victims of this mentality r muslims not only in terms of loss of life but economy and education. Be patient .

    • Dear shagoofa,
      I am just delighted to encounter someone who will engage in debate, not just rhetoric.
      I just can’t be patient.
      I take your point, the first victims of this mentality are Muslims.

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