salam, I am a converted and i will never be accepted by muslim . Either they are arabic with all their traditions. Or french muslim who converted and became pakistani in the way of thinking and dressing. Its so true when you said we want to be accepted . Never forget that when we go to islam in the west (for my part) its because I played a role but MY heart said « no » But you dont know what to do . I had no boyfriends and it was like I was not normal . I wanted to be a religious sister at 16 , my parents never encourage it . I was two: the clown they ask me to be and inside, I was looking for a sense of me being on earth with . I went crazy with this pressure . I did all the stupid things you can imagine until I met islam . Its very important who put you inside ; I spent after 13 years with a arabic who never believe in me being muslim so he said i didnt deserve him . I learned nothing with him just hate , beating, insulting. I learned with Iqra , with Mr Ramadan but him , he was talking that s it . He was waiting to beat me up after my prayer , he was so mad to admit God choose a « peace of shit » like me . Its the problem with the arabic : their mentality is so far from Mohamad(PASSL) and our french mentality is so closed to him , I had the worst time in my life to undo al this mess. He made me choose beetween God and my kids!!! Wich kind of muslim can do that ? And I understand something else: he wore the clothes of muslim , he had the name of muslim but he never prayed or fast . And he found a french to accuse her for being a bad muslim . I am french for what its the best: energy, work, planning and arab for what they have the best: hospitality, happiness and I make my islam by taking the qualities of tho people and its in the coran this qualities. God saved me three times: when I did my stupid things ( it will never go from me ) when I spend 13 year with satan,and after, when I have to fight for my kids. And you know what Mr Ramadan? You were always on my way to stop me going out of islam . You dont have the right to be tired!!!!!! (I am joking) You cant let us down . Nobody understand the converties like you. There is now , forus, an other problem: my daughters are born in islam and the way they react are so far from me at this age!! Believe me, I dont know how to react . They know what they want, they know whenthey want to marry, the job, how to help the poor. As converty, we are raising muslim kids but we have no models and reference!!! I dont know if I amclear . As converted, I will never be accepted by muslim but them as muslim they are not accepted by the french.So the only way to make sense , its you, making your conference.salam
It sounds like you were involved with a sick man; not all muslimmen treat their women like that. The man has issues. I mean, why marry a convert when you look down on them. It doesn’t make sense.
But still, you may be right in saying converts have problems in being accepted. But I would like to say: what do you want to be accepted in? As you say, ethnic muslims have their issues as well, and a lot of younger muslims are searching for something new as well. You talk about finding it difficult to hang on to islam, and I can tell you I have exactly the same: I too had to seek solace in a Swiss thinker, while being Dutch, because the way I was taught islam didn’t make sense, and there are no positive role models in my environment. So we are all a bit lost.
The best thing converts can do for themselves and for other muslims is to stay who they are and don’t give in to the pressure to become ethnic. It doesn’t make sense to take over characteristics of people that don’t even work for themselves. Please stay who you are, and we will follow.
« we are all a bit lost. »… I know I am.. You are right, there are not enough role models (our parents sure weren’t) and we have to discover islam ourselves. Thank God for tariq Ramadan!
Lost in Cyberummah…
Who said globalization is all bad?
But my point is, all these people coming to this site and writing down their experiences and views, I think it’s wonderful! But I also think it is and indication that people find something here that they don’t find in real life.
My eperience is that communication with muslims often is superficial. I can have very interesting in-depth conversations with non-muslims, but with muslims often it stays at the surface. I didn’t learn to express myself and communicate at home, I learned it outside (and now I can’t be stopped;-) But it is nice to see it brought together: the open communicative atmosphere I appreciate and islam.
It’s nice to have access to this site, all this information, and to be able to post messages. But it would be nicer if this all was possible in real life.
Asslamo Alaikum my sister in ISLAM,congratulation on discovering islam and converting to most beautiful religion, MashAllah you are so lucky, im so sorry to hear about the difficulties you are facing,may Allah make your life easier and keep you firm on your belief.shame on him the way he treated you, Allah will punish him inshAllah. Born muslims more cultural than religious,they are not great example though, you should mingle with all the other new converted muslims as I’m great admirer of them, you are far more better than born muslims,born muslim take religion for granted:-(.I always seek revert friends and they are my great role model,i’m learning a lot from them,you should be proud of yourself. Dn’t worry about going into any culture just follow the Quran sunna ok, love you for the sake of Islam,your siter shabnum
As a Mexican-American Woman who converted to Islam I face numerous challenges. But by educating myself and reading about Islam, I feel it’s very helplful. I feel I’ve had to study not only Islamic issues, BUT, the history and issues in all these Muslim countries. Because, in America Islam or problems in Muslim countries dominate the media. So, I am constantly being asked about it. Also, a lot of the converts I meet are totally « Arabanized » or whatever. But, I love my culture, yet I also love my religion. So, in the end it is all about being sincere with Allah and seeking to be a better Muslim. Fortunately, we have Tariq Ramadan! to bring enlightenment.
Hello,
I am a new muslim of 4 months now and I am so enjoying your web site and find relief in the fact that your veiws are peaceloving, respectful of others and their beliefs and you try to advocate for justice for all and above all compassion and love for God. As you and your guest have mentioned in this discussion, there are challenges facing new muslims. I live many hours away from any other Muslims. I have been reading what I can in books and on the net to learn about Islam, but am not certain the content I am reading is based on fact or on culture. What I have read here so far makes me confident that Mr Ramadan is using a rational, reliable approach in reforming Islam back into something more like it was meant to be. I refuse to be part of something that is violent or unloving or disrespectful. I have been reading ‘What I believe’ and i can appreciate the position Mr Ramadan has placed himself as a mediator who is unafraid to tell two opposing sides where they are in error. You can never be popular that way amongst the 2 sides, but there are those who can get a glimpse of his vision and truly cheer him on and pray for him in his endeavor to make the world a better more loving and peaceful place. My struggle to understand and live my new faith better and more fully is small by comparison to his monumental undertaking but even so by blazing this new trail, you (Mr Ramadan) give me a light to align myself to , a star perhaps and I have confidence that with study and prayer one day I will be able to follow that trail in my own way and be a messenger of love and peace as you are already. May God bless you in this most difficult but necessary path you have chosen and for the guidance and hope you give to us who are new in the faith. Thank you so much brother in God for all you do for the love of our Glorious Allah. Sandra
يعود انكسارالحضارة الإسلامية - حسب العديد من المؤرخين- إلى حوالي القرن الثالث عشر، والغزو المغولي. كانت الاضطرابات على طول حدود الإمبراطورية، وهشاشة السلطة، والهزائم...
salam, I am a converted and i will never be accepted by muslim . Either they are arabic with all their traditions. Or french muslim who converted and became pakistani in the way of thinking and dressing. Its so true when you said we want to be accepted . Never forget that when we go to islam in the west (for my part) its because I played a role but MY heart said « no » But you dont know what to do . I had no boyfriends and it was like I was not normal . I wanted to be a religious sister at 16 , my parents never encourage it . I was two: the clown they ask me to be and inside, I was looking for a sense of me being on earth with . I went crazy with this pressure . I did all the stupid things you can imagine until I met islam . Its very important who put you inside ; I spent after 13 years with a arabic who never believe in me being muslim so he said i didnt deserve him . I learned nothing with him just hate , beating, insulting. I learned with Iqra , with Mr Ramadan but him , he was talking that s it . He was waiting to beat me up after my prayer , he was so mad to admit God choose a « peace of shit » like me . Its the problem with the arabic : their mentality is so far from Mohamad(PASSL) and our french mentality is so closed to him , I had the worst time in my life to undo al this mess. He made me choose beetween God and my kids!!! Wich kind of muslim can do that ? And I understand something else: he wore the clothes of muslim , he had the name of muslim but he never prayed or fast . And he found a french to accuse her for being a bad muslim . I am french for what its the best: energy, work, planning and arab for what they have the best: hospitality, happiness and I make my islam by taking the qualities of tho people and its in the coran this qualities. God saved me three times: when I did my stupid things ( it will never go from me ) when I spend 13 year with satan,and after, when I have to fight for my kids. And you know what Mr Ramadan? You were always on my way to stop me going out of islam . You dont have the right to be tired!!!!!! (I am joking) You cant let us down . Nobody understand the converties like you. There is now , forus, an other problem: my daughters are born in islam and the way they react are so far from me at this age!! Believe me, I dont know how to react . They know what they want, they know whenthey want to marry, the job, how to help the poor. As converty, we are raising muslim kids but we have no models and reference!!! I dont know if I amclear . As converted, I will never be accepted by muslim but them as muslim they are not accepted by the french.So the only way to make sense , its you, making your conference.salam
It sounds like you were involved with a sick man; not all muslimmen treat their women like that. The man has issues. I mean, why marry a convert when you look down on them. It doesn’t make sense.
But still, you may be right in saying converts have problems in being accepted. But I would like to say: what do you want to be accepted in? As you say, ethnic muslims have their issues as well, and a lot of younger muslims are searching for something new as well. You talk about finding it difficult to hang on to islam, and I can tell you I have exactly the same: I too had to seek solace in a Swiss thinker, while being Dutch, because the way I was taught islam didn’t make sense, and there are no positive role models in my environment. So we are all a bit lost.
The best thing converts can do for themselves and for other muslims is to stay who they are and don’t give in to the pressure to become ethnic. It doesn’t make sense to take over characteristics of people that don’t even work for themselves. Please stay who you are, and we will follow.
« we are all a bit lost. »… I know I am.. You are right, there are not enough role models (our parents sure weren’t) and we have to discover islam ourselves. Thank God for tariq Ramadan!
Lost in Cyberummah…
Who said globalization is all bad?
But my point is, all these people coming to this site and writing down their experiences and views, I think it’s wonderful! But I also think it is and indication that people find something here that they don’t find in real life.
My eperience is that communication with muslims often is superficial. I can have very interesting in-depth conversations with non-muslims, but with muslims often it stays at the surface. I didn’t learn to express myself and communicate at home, I learned it outside (and now I can’t be stopped;-) But it is nice to see it brought together: the open communicative atmosphere I appreciate and islam.
It’s nice to have access to this site, all this information, and to be able to post messages. But it would be nicer if this all was possible in real life.
Asslamo Alaikum my sister in ISLAM,congratulation on discovering islam and converting to most beautiful religion, MashAllah you are so lucky, im so sorry to hear about the difficulties you are facing,may Allah make your life easier and keep you firm on your belief.shame on him the way he treated you, Allah will punish him inshAllah. Born muslims more cultural than religious,they are not great example though, you should mingle with all the other new converted muslims as I’m great admirer of them, you are far more better than born muslims,born muslim take religion for granted:-(.I always seek revert friends and they are my great role model,i’m learning a lot from them,you should be proud of yourself. Dn’t worry about going into any culture just follow the Quran sunna ok, love you for the sake of Islam,your siter shabnum
As a Mexican-American Woman who converted to Islam I face numerous challenges. But by educating myself and reading about Islam, I feel it’s very helplful. I feel I’ve had to study not only Islamic issues, BUT, the history and issues in all these Muslim countries. Because, in America Islam or problems in Muslim countries dominate the media. So, I am constantly being asked about it. Also, a lot of the converts I meet are totally « Arabanized » or whatever. But, I love my culture, yet I also love my religion. So, in the end it is all about being sincere with Allah and seeking to be a better Muslim. Fortunately, we have Tariq Ramadan! to bring enlightenment.
Hello,
I am a new muslim of 4 months now and I am so enjoying your web site and find relief in the fact that your veiws are peaceloving, respectful of others and their beliefs and you try to advocate for justice for all and above all compassion and love for God. As you and your guest have mentioned in this discussion, there are challenges facing new muslims. I live many hours away from any other Muslims. I have been reading what I can in books and on the net to learn about Islam, but am not certain the content I am reading is based on fact or on culture. What I have read here so far makes me confident that Mr Ramadan is using a rational, reliable approach in reforming Islam back into something more like it was meant to be. I refuse to be part of something that is violent or unloving or disrespectful. I have been reading ‘What I believe’ and i can appreciate the position Mr Ramadan has placed himself as a mediator who is unafraid to tell two opposing sides where they are in error. You can never be popular that way amongst the 2 sides, but there are those who can get a glimpse of his vision and truly cheer him on and pray for him in his endeavor to make the world a better more loving and peaceful place. My struggle to understand and live my new faith better and more fully is small by comparison to his monumental undertaking but even so by blazing this new trail, you (Mr Ramadan) give me a light to align myself to , a star perhaps and I have confidence that with study and prayer one day I will be able to follow that trail in my own way and be a messenger of love and peace as you are already. May God bless you in this most difficult but necessary path you have chosen and for the guidance and hope you give to us who are new in the faith. Thank you so much brother in God for all you do for the love of our Glorious Allah. Sandra